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Tim O'Neill
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Cory V:  "I'm backing up Paul on this, I remember John being 6+ pages into X-Men 138 when the edict came down from Shooter and how John had to repencil the last part of 137 virtually overnight, and then repencil portions of 138."

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Last summer, Terry Austin visited JB's place with a mound of original art pages from their collaboration together.  He asked JB to sign the pages, which resulted in a pretty wild trip down Memory Lane, and Dark Phoenix was a memorable landmark!

Among the pages you could see evidence of the unusual nature of #138.  One of the final inked panels featuring Jean's funeral was taped onto the final art page.

JB flipped up the funeral scene panel on the page.  Under it, on the original page, were his pencils of an entirely different scene.  Pencils that JB had done thirty years before.  The rest of the page had been inked, but the funeral panel was added before the inks, leaving the original pencils intact.

Now that's a page heavy with history! 


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Wow.
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Tim, that's the story of the year!  
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It would be great to see those pencils.
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It was WILD!


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Tim they should've recorded that whole experience for 60 MINUTES or some sort of comicbook history documentary.
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That would be an amazing film, Joe - penciler and inker talking about the pages of such a historic story

Over the last year, I've been thinking a book featuring the pages from the collaboration with their commentary would be a better manifestation of this.  When Terry Austin is ready to sell his pages, I think he and JB should strike a book deal at the same time.  JB and TA collaborated on more than the X-Men, and to focus on just their collaboration would be unique and fascinating look at the penciler/inker team from Star Lord to Doom Patrol.

And it would be good to look at this work through the prism of TA's inks as I think Marvel has sold him short in recent years by not featuring his name on the cover of recent Dark Phoenix trades.  I never thought that was right.

It's a natural for a book, featuring pics of the original art - which would look amazing in a large format.






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I went digging into the gallery and pulled these out.

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"Keep everything!" says The Fandom Stranger

I knew I had this someplace, from 1980

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sidenote: Man, look at all the feathering in those pencils. Pretty, pretty technique.
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Tim - MAKE IT HAPPEN!

I'd love to see a book documenting the career of two of the greatest artists in comic book history discussing their joint contributions to the field.

I agree that this shouldnt be just about X-men either.  Their work on Star-lord still looks very fresh even today (i know John will point to technique flaws but hey!).

Its amazing though, they did all the Uncanny X-men stuff back in the late 70s and it still hasnt been beaten yet.

Still represents the pinnacle of the industry for me - anything else has just  paled in comparison with a few notable exceptions.
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Not the first time I've seen the pencils but they are just glorious!
Thanks for sharing!

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…they did all the Uncanny X-men stuff back in the late 70s and it still hasnt been beaten yet.

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That may be the most subtle expression of "their old stuff was better" I have yet seen!

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Didn't they release the original story, in color, once? I remember
reading it, in color.
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Now THAT image brings back memories! Thanks for posting it,
William.
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Also....

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I love the cover of the untold story.
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So, they made you, JB redo those pages without paying for the rework;
but they published both versions. I hope they made that right.
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Hm,...ya know what?  I don't think I own PHOENIX: THE UNTOLD STORY!  I need to fix that.
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Huh....I never knew before that Terry had not inked the original pages until P:TUS was released....I had always thought that something looked different in the inks, as if it was done in Austin's later inking style...now I know that it actually was!
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Interesting article posted there.  Never saw it before.
I'll never agree with Claremont that his version of Jean is akin to the Thomas/Adams version.  That version is stronger in her use of powers, perhaps, but her basic personality was the same as earler..
Claremont's Jean, the characters mentioned a number of times how much she's changed.  I just think he writes REALLY strong women in general.

Also interesting all the different scenarios that were discussed.  I was unaware of several of them as well.


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I picked up P:TUS back when it was first published.  I really appreciated that something like that had been put out at all.  I'd love to see more "Behind the Comics" features like that ... why things were done, other directions that were considered ... even done in a video interview format ala Classic Albums or Behind the Music.

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